“Assault is a type of behavior, not a type of hardware.”
by Alan Korwin




"walls of the city" logo conceptualized by Oleg Volk and executed by Linoge. Logo is © "walls of the city".

those who do not learn from the past

The last time something like this happened:


this happened:


And does anyone recall what the only redeeming factor of that Day of Infamy was? The fact that none of our carriers were in port. Unfortunately, we no longer have battleships, which means the only things underway when that picture was taken were "small boys".

In fairness, that picture was taken during a Christmas stand-down, one of those ships is currently being converted into razor blades (the USS Enterprise, unfortunately), the USS Eisenhower (also in the picture) left on its deployment in February, and some of those flat-tops in the distance are technically amphibious ships and not carriers (even though they are as large or lager than World War II carriers)… but, still, that is an awful lot of Navy hardware all conveniently parked in a nice little line.

(Found by way of OldNFO.)

8 comments to those who do not learn from the past

  • dave w

    be more fun if they were all end to end

  • Divemedic

    This is not unheard of. When I was in the Navy (1986-1992), you would see the carriers lined up just like this. As you said, the Enterprise was being decommissioned. This means that the Eisenhower, Bush, Truman, and Lincoln are the only ones that “count.”

    Four carriers in port at once. Every Christmas, Norfolk looks like this. When I was stationed aboard the Eisenhower, we would be at Pier 11 across from a carrier, and see two others sitting at Pier 12.

    What is more of a tragedy is that during the 80s, we had 16 carriers and today we only have 10.

    Also back then, an aircraft carrier carried 90 aircraft, today they carry only 65. This means that our ability to project power with Naval Air wings is less than half of what it once was.

  • @ dave w: And it would require a lot more real-estate :).

  • dave w

    @ Linoge:
    but think how fun it would be to drive fast down 5 carriers (assuming you made all the jumps over the gaps in 1 piece)

  • geodkyt

    Yeah, four carriers docked at one spot out of a total force of 10 is a wee bit different than four carriers (often times due to the replacement cycle we were following, one being decommissioned and one being its replacement being ready to go out) out of 16.

  • geodkyt

    Hmmm. . . missed the fifth carrier — I though some idiot was identifying the Gator Freighter as a CVN. . . five out of ten is even worse, given that this doesn’t count Enterprise. . . and Lincoln is down for a while, having an RCOH to do. . .

    @ geodkyt:

  • I think that today’s carriers are the same as the battleships in the late 30s. They’re on the verge of being obsolete and they’re more of a target now than useful. With advances in drones and space planes we’re about to not need a floating airfield any more.

  • @ dave w: I think the horizontal gaps would be less problematic than the vertical ones – given no alike, having all of their flight decks within inches of … challenging.

    @ geodkyt: Yeah, see, that. That is the problem. It is fair to say the American military, and especially the Navy, has got, and not without reason. But complacency screwed us once, and it invariably will again.

    @ Alan: If by “on the verge” you mean, “within the next “, I could maybe buy that, but air combat has always been a balance of endurance versus destructive potential, and even those drones need somewhere to go back to and reload/rearm. Sure, we have overseas bases, but if we are talking scenarios where we would actually be using carriers, I would not bet on those stationary targets’ continued operation.