So Stoeger has had their Side-by-Side Double Defense for a couple years now, and I have always kind of wanted one because coach guns are awesome and, hey, rails, and that was all well and good.
Now apparently they have a Over-Under Double Defense, and I still kind of want one because of that classic, “I mean business” profile and, hey, rails.
So now, like I said, I have to ask – when is the “Quadruple Defense” coming down the pike?
Because, damnit, that is a shotgun I would buy at the drop of a hat just to have.
I was just about to comment about “At that point just buy a riot gun”…but then I thought, because you don’t need a raceway in the receiver, if you drop 4 light-profile 18.5″ barrels onto the lock you would have a VERY short shotgun that holds almost as much as your typical 5-shot tube-feeder.
I wonder if mechanically it might be difficult to get 4 hammers in there…but maybe set the action up like a COP derringer with a DAO trigger and a rotating firing pin, and you can simply delete the traditional tang safety.
Actually seems like it might have its merits.
Rails!?! Rails on a two-shot weapon? Someone’s spending too much time at the PX.
I’m waiting on the Octo-Shotgun.
Two-shot weapon but only one trigger. Which eliminates the entire point of a coach gun.
I rant about it in greater detail here.
Don’t need rails if you have duct tape.
@ Weer’d Beard: So when you start examining numbers, you start seeing interesting things. The DDs mass at around 6.75 pounds, have 20″ barrels, and measure 36.5″ overall. A minimum-barrel 870 weighs 7.5 pounds, has an 18.5″ barrel, and is 38.5″ overall. Chop an inch and a half off that DD’s barrel, and you can see where I am going, though, of course, the 870 has 3 times the capacity. On the other end, Serbu Super Shorties carry 3 rounds, have a 6.5″ barrel, measure 16.5″ overall, and weigh about 4 pounds, but are uncontrollable by most people, and have the NFA idiocy attached.
A 4 tube barrage shotgun could have a niche market… If nothing else, me
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@ MAJ Mike: Dude. Rails are my thing
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@ SGB: Apparently it has been done, along with my idea already being done as well (though it was a non-standard caliber and a strange device to begin with).
@ Erin Palette: While I agree with you that the lack of being able to dish out both barrels is a significant shortcoming, I would point out two things you overlooked/did not consider.
1. This firearm allows you to make two shots without doing anything to manipulate the firearm, and without any significant mechanical change. No slide to rack. No bolt to cycle. If you are not familiar with the manual of arms on shotguns, or do not maintain your firearms well, there is still almost no way this thing can fail, making it a serious consideration for people who shove them under their beds and forget about them.
2. SbS and OU shotguns are arguably easier to reload than semi/pump tube-based guns. You push a button, fold the gun, and stick two new rounds in, rather than having to deal with “followers”, and spring tension fighting you, and getting it just so, and so forth. I guess it again comes down to a manual of arms.
Is this an ideal home-defense gun? No. Far from it. But it may be ideal for some people. And I just want a four-barrel shotty, damnit!
@Linoge: So in other words, it’s ideal for the idiots to which it’s being marketed.
If it gives those folks a fighting chance when they otherwise would not have had one, I am ok with that.
And I still want one
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Seems to me if it does what you want, when you want and how you want…
Goes bang and takes care of the problem and you like it and how it does it…
Buy it!!!
Just my opinion…
We already have a revolver-action shotgun proof-of-concept in the Rossi 28-gauge Circuit Judge. All we need to do now is to convince the Rossi folks to increase the bore to at least 20-gauge, and we’ll approach your dream of an adequate-bore shotgun that can fire several shells without a manual of arms more complicated than “squeeze the trigger, lather, rinse and repeat”.
@ maddmedic: Purty much.
SxS & OUs go bang, twice, guaranteed. Seems a quad could do that four times, guaranteed too
. The unloading mechanism would not be terribly different than traditional OUs, and damn it would be intimidating.
@ AuricTech: No, you misunderstand – my dream is just a 12-gauge shotgun sporting four barrels. Just imagine that
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But, still, a user-proof shotty seems like a prett good idea, too. Cannot imagine the speedloaders for it, though.
My Mossberg 500 milspec riot gun works just fine. Hope I never have to test it.
Linoge,
Swing on over to my website. I posted a nice pic of a 4 shot SxS with a light. Thought you would get a kick out of it.
Disavowed With Honor
@ MAJ Mike: Eh, if “works just fine” was an excuse not to come up with new ideas, we would never get anywhere
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@ Disavowed With Honor: Right idea, wrong arrangement – I was thinking more in a 2×2 box, rather than a 4×1 line.