I am not above admitting I am wrong. Such admissions are exclusively born out of conclusive evidence proving my error, but if that data is there, it is there, and it would be intellectually dishonest of me to ignore it.
As such, I was mostly wrong – “American Guns” is a demonstrably “better” firearm-related show than “Sons of Guns“, but that does not necessarily make it good television, or good publicity for the firearm-owning community.
How did I make that determination? One thing that has always annoyed me about “Sons of Guns” was their now-non-existent tagline of “If you dream it, we can build it.” Well, that is great and all, except we never once saw the folks at Red Jacket actually building firearms. Oh, sure, they reconstructed a few demilled kits, and they sure as hell know how to bolt all manner of whatnots, gadgets, and accessories onto pre-existing receivers for various firearms, but when it comes to taking a blank piece of metal and turning it into a shape that would have to be registered with the BATFE as an actual “firearm”, they fell squarely on their faces.
On the other hand, “American Guns” has done that almost every other episode now. Want a “knuckle duster” that has not been produced in over a century and for which there are no plans? They did that, and milled all of the big pieces of out of solid hunks of metal. Want The Gun That Won The West customized to your specific competitive shooting style, and dressed up how you like it? They did that, again, starting from blank metal. Want an original, Mark 1 Mod 0 hand-cannon? They did that, and broke out the blacksmithing tools to make sure it looked right. Sure, the preponderance of their business seems to be basic customization and modification (like the hunting rifle for the wounded veteran, or Shotgun Willie’s side-by-side) – things that just about any competent gunsmithing shop could accomplish – but every once in a while Mr. Wyatt theatrically slams that block of iron/brass/aluminum on the table, and they go at it with the CNC/drills/files/etc.
“Sons of Guns”? Yeah… they bought a multi-tens/hundreds?-of-thousands dollar CNC mill and have no idea what to do with it. Like “caveman” quality cluelessness. There are these great things called “schools”…
So, yeah, when given the choice between watching a show where the meat-and-potatoes is bolting accessories onto pre-existing frames, or a show where they literally mill functional devices out of featureless blocks of metals, being an engineer, it is no wonder I will automatically gravitate towards the latter.
Moving beyond that single point, however, “American Guns” features significantly less swearing (As in none? After my time in the Navy, I do not really pay attention to such things…), very little of “Sons of Guns”‘ idiotically poor management (i.e. no “we can get this done in a week, even if it means I have to verbally assault my shop workers every five minutes”), a fair bit more discussion (in my opinion) of the ins-and-outs of gunsmithing (like how to get a 1911 perfectly smooth, or how to “antique” metal, etc.), and an actually open shop (though I feel certain the customers featured in the show are still staged in some fashion). Sure, Mrs. and Paige Wyatt tend towards the pink guns, low-cut tops, and short-shorts, but as Better Half herself said, I think they just are that way, rather than it being an act for the camera – they may be accentuating that, but no one could accept the travesty of a 1911 with as much enthusiasm as Renee did if she did not actually like it to some degree.
So does that mean “American Guns” makes for good television? Eh, almost. The Wyatts almost come off as caricatures, the “massive stacks o’money” negotiating technique is a bit cheesy (and arguably effective, thought it may just be Mr. Wyatt’s schtick), the female members of the family do nothing to break away from the stereotypes perpetrated by certain folks (see above), and some of their notions of “safety” give me a raging case of the heebie-jeebies (but on a smaller magnitude than Sons of Guns); however, all of that aside, it makes for entertaining television, which is more than I can say any more for “Sons of Guns” -being an Industrial Engineer by education, I can only take a manager yelling at his employees for his poor (and reportedly artificially constrained) planning so many times before I get royally annoyed.
So, yeah, if you have an hour to kill, give “American Guns” a chance – they are nowhere near what I would consider to be “ideal”, but they are probably about as good as we are going to get these days.
On a somewhat related note, I am interested to see how this goes; I understand the Wyatts (or, at least, their handlers) sounded very interested in the idea of a modern LeMat resurrection using modern cartridge calibers. While I still really want a fully-operational Moses Brothers Self-Defense Engine Frontier Model B, I could live with Jayne’s sidearm.
Update: And just to add icing to this all-too-entertaining cake, it would appear as though Will and Stephanie Hayden have lost their FFL and Red Jacket is currently run by Vince – you know, the gunsmith Will routinely verbally abuses, even though Will routinely turns out to be wrong. *snicker*
Update 2: And just to keep the dramallama running, the FFL flag has moved to Joe (the explosives guy at RJ), and, more interestingly to me, Vince has left Red Jacket. Good for him. Given the verbal abuse he has received and the skills he has, were I him, I would have left years ago.
(Note: The Discovery Channel provided me absolutely nothing to write this post, and it would not have mattered if they did. Piss off, FTC.)





I watched the whole first season. I’m still on the fence. I like the guns, but the family annoys me (shop guys are cool though). Not the type of people I would hang out with I think. Especially the girls. Maybe they just take some time to grow on you, or maybe they will be more like Kari on mythbusters, who I find more annoying with time. Time will tell. Other than that, I agree.
oh, and one more thing, sons has way better entro music. I don’t like the American guns one for some reason.
Well said. Interesting to note is that Gunsmoke has a terrible reputation on Colorado AR15 Shooters Club forum (and another Colorado gun forum that I can’t remember offhand). I guess he has a history of losing/installing incorrect 1911 parts and engraving the company name on 1911 slides without asking for permission first. He also kept a lady’s deposit money on a gun after she failed a background check. A simple Google search should give you an idea of his reputation. Sad he was chosen to represent our sport., although I much prefer American Guns over Sons of Guns for the reasons you stated. Also- Vince no longer has the FFL, it is now in the hands of Joe Meaux: http://savethegun.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/sons-of-guns-update/
I dunno, I think “Got mah ammani-shun..” is kinda catchy in a twangy redneck sort of way.
The way the daughter dresses bugs me, but she’s a member of the sales team, so I imagine that showing some skin and cooing girlishly at the big guns the male customers want to buy is just part of her sales technique (and it seems to work.)
I’m one of those women who is almost allergic to pink, but my thoughts on pink guns mirror those on Mosin mods: It’s your gun, you can do whatever you like to it as long as you shoot the damn thing.
I only watched two episodes of each show, but came up with plenty of reasons to strongly dislike both of them. I can stomach Sons of Guns more than American Guns (based on the episodes I saw), but both shows have me constantly shouting corrections at the screen.
I’d certainly never bring any work to either shop. Gunsmoke seems flat out dangerously incompetent: witness the disaster-in-waiting bowling ball cannon in particular.
Also, Rich Wyatt comes across as a total douche. $35,000 for a *scale model* Civil War howitzer? Nuff said.
Well, from the perspective of the barely gunny, I can’t stand either, though I’ll admit that I can’t stand pretty much anything “reality”ish on TV. I find the comercials for both a massive turn off. Not that I’d recognize most of the issues you pointed out….
Of the two, I probably like “American Guns” more. Mostly because of the reasons you stated. It is fun to watch them make a gun from scratch. I also like that their is a wide range of guns that are talked about and demonstrated on the show. On “Sons of Guns” you’re not likely to encounter much more than a Saiga in some configuration or another. That said, the father’s behavior on “American Guns” really bothers me. He definitely comes across as some kind of shyster that would do just about anything to bilk his customers out of another dollar or two.
@ lucusloc: Oh, I am definitely not saying I necessarily like either one – I just prefer one over the other. We watch both, but they probably annoy me more often than not… I suffer to watch people play with shiny toys, I suppose
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@ savethegun: Yeah, I touched on Gunsmoke’s reputation in my first post, as well as the Wyatt’s specific reputation (something about his previous divorce), and I definitely concur that there are far better people who could be representing our sport/livelihood/hobby on national television… but, these days, we take what we can get.
Thanks for the update on Red Jacket, though I confess to finding it more interesting that Vince left. Good for him. With a boss like Will and skills like Vince’s, I would have left years ago.
@ Erin Palette: Sex sells. And given that the overwhelming demographic of firearm owners is still male, showing some cleavage can only help your bottom line. More power to her for realizing and exploiting that, I suppose.
And, yeah, whatever you do to your firearm, just shoot it. ‘Course, I say that right after I just purchased an “investment” gun…
@ weambulance: Honestly, I have no idea how much cast howitzers go for?
@ Ruth: Oh, the only reason I watch these shows are the guns. I do not watch any other reality TV (except maybe Wipeout), and even excessive drama can send me for the hills (see “Top Shot”).
@RuffRidr: You are pretty much dead on – check out some of the character references savethegun mentioned. It really made/makes me wonder why they chose him out of all the options out there…