How can anyone who supports a "right to life" not support armed self-defense, when a disparity of potentially lethal force is so easily found between aggressors and victims?
Alternatively, how can anyone who supports a "right to choose" not support a person’s ability to decide how, or even if, they want to defend themselves?
Just askin’.
Because they’re flaming hypocrites?
It’s pro abortion vs anti abortion, has nothing to do with “life” or “choice” and people who argue about it hardly ever think outside the abortion “box”.
Speaking of abortion, there’s a book “Freakonomics” where the author floats the idea that violent crime is decreasing because abortion was legalized back in the day. Since unwanted babies tend to grow up in a hostile environment and have a higher chance of ending up criminals, them not being born resulted in a decreasing/aging criminal population.
Brains, remember?
Echo, if you want to be taken seriously you *really* need to avoid citing blatantly political hacks whose “research” has been torn almost as many new holes as Kellerman. Firstly, the claim you cite totally ignored the fact the OLDER criminals (i.e. the ones who were more likely to be ‘unwanted’) are committing fewer crimes while crime by YOUNGER people has been skyrocketing compared to before Roe v. Wade (you mean promoting illegitimacy leads to social breakdown? How shocking). Then there’s the fact that the authors also credit 90′s era gun control with lowering crime rates.
@ Pyrotek85: That is about what it boils down to, is it not?
@ EchoVictor76: Oh, trust me, my use of their terms was intentional and malicious
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@ bluesun: Yes, well…
@ TCK: Arguably, the older criminals are dying off, or getting out of the trade…
EchoVictor76 wrote:
If you’re going to stick with that story? OK.
Here’s a fact hunt for you. Yes, you have to go find the answer. What year did Roe vs. Wade take place? Now that you have that answer… How many mass school killings were there before that year? HINT: You will need to research all the way back to August 1st, 1966. Once you have gathered all of that information… How many mass school shootings have there been since the year of Roe vs. Wade?
Now tell me if abortions and gun control work. Ask the families of the victims, if not the surviving victims themselves.
On second thought… I will do the work for you:
Roe vs. Wade was in 1973. Now follow the link below (from Wikipedia) which includes all (or most) specific dates and incidents from August 1st, 1966 through May 23rd, 2011. Keep in mind this is just shootings. Not to mention things like the May 18th, 1927 school bombing in Bath, Michigan which killed 45 people (38 children, 6 adults, and one hell bound mass murderer).
Since I can’t post links (Search “School Shootings” in Wikipedia)
So we have 25 dead before 1973. Let’s help that figure and add Bath, Michigan. 25 + 45 =70 dead (not including injured)
After 1973? Just shootings without bombs and other horrible acts? You guessed it… 206 dead. Almost three times the amount of fatalities in “Gun Free/Pro-Choice” zones. I have noticed over the years that these three things tend to gravitate towards one another. “Pro-Choice” + “Anti-Rights” = Mass Casualty.
I don’t think that abortion is the problem though. It is the decay of values, standards, and moral principle which allows for things like abortion to become a consideration because of those who lack moral quality. These are the same poeple who brought encouragement & entitlement to those who don’t want to work, and trophies for the loosing team to avoid hurting someone’s feelings, and passing a child to the next grade who didn’t meet the requirements. The same schools who punish a kid for defending himself against a bully and telling him that he doesn’t have that right while holding no accountability against the bully. They remove the option of using his fist to defend himself so in his undeveloped mind the only usable alternative is a gun. Though it doesn’t make sence… how many children make sence? It illustrates the equation perfectly… The removal of one’s rights will inevitably lead to the last resort of violence. The more moral decay the less likely violence will be the “last” resort.
In short: Moral Decay (or Liberals) will attempt to destroy God given individual rights which, as a last resort, leads to violence.
I’m glad you stuck with that story.
Regards,
Tac
Disclaimer: If you were supporting that book… Read the above comment. If not… flower it up and read it anyway
Oddly… Didn’t the progressive movement start in the 20s?