@Weer’d Beard – In the end, anti-rights advocates working for a “negotiation” is nothing more than another sympotom of that language hijack, as is “common sense”, and “reasonable”, and all the rest. They use the words, they know what they mean, but they use them in situations where the words are, at best, subjective, and at worst, irrelevant.

Once-Great Britain and Australia are perfect examples of that creeping incrementalism Midwest Chick mentioned, as well as a perfect example of the “let no disaster go unexploited” mentality of our current administration – almost every tightening of the totalitarianistic laws in both countries came right at the heels of a whackjob doing what whackjobs do, and now both countries are suffering for it. Unfortunately, it would seem as though our country’s politicians are approaching their failure with a “do it again, only harder” mentality, rather than the logically-accurate mentality of “RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!”

But it seemed on that one little orphaned cause the laws we had sucked and did nothing….but of course they weren’t willing to actually call to REPEAL any of them. When they were asked to that little sound byte found itself under the bus pretty darn quick.

Yep, there is no negotiation, its just what they can get away with taking and what they can’t.

And of course places like England or Australia are great examples of how you can thin the heard with small changes to eventually make the big ones reality. Divide and conquer. First say you just want to limit sales at gun shows…then sales outside of gun shows, then permits, then registries, then restricted rosters, then confiscation, and THEN if we have slid that far, when they go to take the last guns away, there won’t be enough left to fight them back.