In a somewhat interesting and unprecedented turn of events for my weblog, it would appear as though my post regarding the lying cowards perpetrating and encouraging this pointless “Window War” was actually a little ahead of the curve.
If there is anything that can be said about Jay G, it is that he is always ready, willing, and capable of speaking his mind plainly, and this time, he breaks out the cluebat with a vengeance:
We are not the Taliban. We do not deal with the opposition by intimidation and stupid stunts. We are nice right up until it’s time to not be nice – and it’s not that time, not yet.
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Tossing a brick through a Democratic party headquarters is not “sabre-rattling”. It’s bullshit dimestore bullying no matter how noble your intentions may be. You’re not making a stand, you’re being a friggin’ thug, no better than the thugs that slashed the tires on the GOP get out the vote van in WI. I’ll bet they thought they were sending a message, too.
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Look. It’s bullshit when they do it. That doesn’t give us the right to stoop to their level. Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ here, people, it’s like I’m talking to my kids. “Because he hit me” is not a valid reason to haul off and belt your brother. If it doesn’t work for a six year old, it’s certainly not going to work for alleged adults.
If you have to resort to petty crimes and thuggery to get your point across, maybe it’s a pretty shitty point.
And that is all these brick-throwers are engaged in – petty, childish, thuggish, vandalistic acts of personal violence. Way to take the high road, folks.
But the fun does not stop there – Roberta X weighs in as well:
But what’s this idiocy about smashing windows? First of all, such vandalism is a half-witted kid trick; second of all, from just whose pockets is the price of a new window gonna come? Congressman Traitor? Bzzt! Wrong. But those are just side issues: the third thing is, are you gonna go do that just ‘cos some guy on the Internet — who doesn’t seem to be anywhere near any busted glass his own self — tol’ja it was a good idea?
While I hope it never gets to be vote from the rooftops time in this country — we haven’t run out of soapboxes and ballot boxes yet! — the man who tells me it is had damn’ well better have a rifle in one hand, a ladder in the other and some shingle-grit under his fingernails. There’s a word for the guy who preaches violence from well behind the lines; a couple of words, actually, and it’s a coin toss between “coward” and “agent provocateur.”
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It’s a time for signs, for speeches and letters and serious, serious organizing; a time to regroup and plan for elections. It’s a time for the states to take the matter to court — and bless ‘em, they are, in significant and growing numbers.
Our backs are not quite against the wall. Let’s not be in a hurry to get there and let’s not be hooligans along the way there, either.
Unfortunately, the individuals throwing the bricks, and especially those exhorting others to do their dirty work for them, have been wishing for our backs to be against the wall for more than a few years now – it just happens that a recent turn of events has allowed them to try to make their own personal pipe dream a reality.
God help those caught in the crossfire.
Mike W. took a break from his unfortunate hiatus and let loose with both barrels:
Dear Mike Vanderboegh
Would you and your buddies shut your pieholes?
You Are Not Helping. You’re acting like a bunch of petulant children. Besides, violent protest combined with vandalism and destruction of property is something I’ve come to expect from the left. Why stoop to that level? It’s stupid and counterproductive.
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“If all we accomplish is to scare people then what we’ll have done is alienated people and marginalized ourselves. It’s hard to have a broad, positive impact once you’ve done that. It’s hard to keep those founding principles and values alive if you’ve been marginalized.”
I’m pretty sure that engaging in threats of violence and vandalism / destruction of property will accomplish exactly that which I’ve quoted above. Well that and the fact that engaging in such behavior makes you a huge fucking asshole.
Committing crimes and generally being an asshole isn’t the kind of behavior that brings about positive change through effective, grassroots activism. We’ve still got the ballot box to worry about, so put down your rifle, ammo box, & bricks and try acting like a rational, civil adult.
Based on my previous and current experiences with those in question, sadly, I doubt they would be capable of such mature behavior.
While his spelling could use a little work, to say that Mike’s Spot is annoyed at the situation would be putting it mildly:
Look- I don’t know who you are Mike Vanderboegh
but your a dick.
Don’t go running around saying you represent gun owners. You really don’t. Especially not me. I am not bat shit crazy, nor do I ever advocate DESTRUCTION OF GOVERNMENT PROPERTY as a ‘protest’. they have a word for breaking windows in ‘protest’. its called VANDALISM.
To any Anti-gun people who make traverse this post- Gun owners are pissed. . . at this douche bag for trying to say we are a bunch of extremists who pleasure themselves at the thought of another civil war.
And to the people who are listening to this guy- your all jackasses. I promise, if you want reform in this country, breaking windows like a frustrated 12 year old with absentee parents is not gonna get it done.
No, tossing bricks through windows in some misguided attempt to “warn” the government is not going to come anywhere close to reforming this country (mostly because the government has never been the problem with our country), but it will certainly make the brick-throwers feel better, and that is all that matters… at least to them.
Last but not least, Og breaks out the allegory (which you should read in its entirety), wrapping up with:
You are surrounded by people trying to tell you that the line in the sand has not yet been crossed, and those are the people who have moved their line back and back and back and yet back again, until it is at their own front door; they say “here, here we will make our stand!”
The enemies of your freedom do not have the right. The line in the sand is outside their front door; they crossed it ages ago.
There are those who speak of “Soap box, Ballot box, Cartridge box”. This is insane. Only one box is important, the one you must think outside.
Bullets, or sisal, or bricks, are not the kind of thing you need, now. You need those brains God gave you. You know the line has been crossed. You know your back is against a wall, and you know you have noplace left to retreat. Now you need to twist that grey matter to a new task, the task of defeating an opponent who would use your own civility against you.
And that, dare I say, is the closest thing to a right answer I have ever seen for those who would rudely demand of others where their “lines” are.
Hopefully they will forgive me for quoting their posts almost in their entirety – I simply feel as though their words are worth repeating and spreading – so by way of making it up to them, head over their way and give them a little traffic.
I have to admit – if those throwing the bricks and spurring others to do so wanted to make a point, they have surely well made it. Something tells me that “it” was not what they actually intended, though… In the end, given the hypothetical choice between those throwing the bricks, and these four individuals, I know upon which side of that line I will land.








I wrote a couple posts here and here about your article The Substance of Things, an objectivist critique of Vanderboegh’s Window War. I personally think that such tactics are a miscalculation, which run the risk of “copy cats” escalating the subversive acts to things like cutting propane lines to a house (wrong address, actually) or making death threats. As Vanderboegh himself put it (in reference to a different matter), that’s the Law of Unintended Consequence–you lose control over how things play out. Innocents get hurt. Bad people exploit the chaos to grab power.
My read of history is that civil disobedience–not just waving signs, but actual non-violent lawbreaking–gets much better results. It puts those in power in the position of showing who they really are, highlighting for the “fence sitters” and unaware just what is wrong with forcing people to buy health insurance, for example.
On the other hand, Roberta X’s call “to regroup and plan for elections…for the states to take the matter to court” doesn’t strike me as any more productive than the Window War. You can’t vote yourself into freedom. Elected officials, by their very nature, will never relinquish power once attained, even if it is at the price of your rights. Trying to win a majority is a losing proposition.
Which lead me directly to your claim that “the government has never been the problem with our country.” I could not disagree with you more.
Government was the problem when it ensconced slavery into the Constitution, when it interfered with the free market by imposing a government monopoly on mail delivery (something affecting us this very day), when it made Jim Crow laws, when it engaged in colonialism and foreign interventions (something affecting us this very day), when it imposed one collectivist “reform” or market “regulation” after another. No corporation or non-governmental group has the power of government to trample our rights and to behave unethically (harming the rights of others) purportedly in our name.
Spooner, Garrison, and Thoreau explicated the reasons why the government was wrong, why “its very Constitution is the evil.” Government is aggressive force instead of persuasive reason, which by its very nature is immoral.
Now, while I assert that non-violent civil disobedience will likely get better results now than the Window War, the cartridge box or the ballot box…I do not agree with the notion that violence is never the answer. See this post at The Smallest Minority, or the Solzhenitsyn quote Vanderboegh cites here.
I’ve been reading Vanderboegh for years and I know he has not “been wishing for our backs to be against the wall” nor is he an “extremist… who pleasure[s] [himself] at the thought of another civil war.” I may disagree with him about the usefulness of the Window War (and about God and the Constitution at root), but I do have respect for him as a principled individual, unlike those who cut propane lines, make death threats against legislators’ family members, etc..
First, let me apologize for this comment being caught in my spam system. Due to the number of links you provided, either Akismet or WordPress decided that something was wrong, and categorized your comment according to their programming. However, thanks to your posting it on your weblog, I was able to sift through the spamtrap and save it before the cleansing digital fires came.
Second, if I am not mistaken, I acknowledged and linked to both of those posts in an earlier post here, though those trackbacks may have been lost in a similar location as your comment.
And speaking of your comment, on to its actual content. Regarding voting, I simply am not convinced that is the case, and I am assuredly not convinced that now is the time to abandon voting and resort to petty, petulant personal violence. We have not yet exhausted the possibilities of the voting booth, the possibilities of the judicial bench, and the possibilities afforded to us from other angles of peaceful coercion, and until that is actually done, violence will only hurt whatever cause those throwing the bricks think they are supporting.
Regarding what is wrong with our country, I have a simple question: who allows the government to govern? More specifically, who has allowed the government to expand its governance? And, even more specifically, who has demanded that the government expand its governance?
Answer those questions, and you will find the symptoms of the problems plaguing America. Examine those symptoms’ motivations, and you will find the problem.
Regarding violence, I cannot definitively speak for the authors quoted above, but I have never taken that position. And, while I cannot speak definitively for them, I am fairly certain they have not either.
Regarding Mike, I believe we are simply going to have to agree to disagree – my considerations of his writings over the past few years have lead me to a decidedly different conclusion.
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