Alright, so this is going to be my last post on the topic of the insurrectionists. While doing dishes this morning, I had a small stroke of inspiration – yes, it did hurt, and yes, I get ideas doing the strangest of things, sometimes. That idea is as follows:
The real problem with the insurrectionist movement, the core of the issues I have with their stupidity, is this: in the end, none of the “three percenter” insurrectionists in this country are any better than the goverment and politicians they are supposedly fighting against. None of them. Those politicians are trampling, abridging, and fractionalising our Constitution because they think it is right, because they think we citizens are retarded and cannot take care of ourselves, and because they like the power. The insurrectionists are proposing tearing apart the country and everything it stood for, engaging in an inherently anti-Constitutional rebellion, and embarking on the enthusiastic mass murder of potentially thousands, simply because they think it is right, because they think no one else sees the whole picture (at least the way they see it), and because they like the attention and the boost it gives their ego.
Ultimately, the insurrectionists are no different from those they are supposedly fighting, in either goals, or motivations. The only difference is methodology.
I have never been able to abide hypocrisy, and compounding duplicity shown by the insurrectionists has to be one of the purest forms I have ever seen. And with that, I think I am done shooting the insurrectionist fishes in their self-imposed barrels – it does get kind of boring after a while.
I’m not sure I follow your logic, there, Linoge.
How can defending, with force, the Constitution from those who are trashing it be considered unConstitutional?
That would be like saying it is unpatriotic to defend, with force, the U.S. from those enemies on the outside who are anti-U.S.
That simply doesn’t make sense to me.
But, we will agree to disagree here.
Carry on.
Martyn
Agreeing to disagree is shiny with me.
That said, secession, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, and all the rest are, in and of themselves, inherently anti-Constitutional.
For that matter, I have yet to see or be shown how the insurrectioninst are, in any way, defending the Constitution, and not their own pathetic skins. Shooting SWAT agents will not convince the politicians who sent them to honor the Constitution. Murdering government officials will not convince the American populace that your argument is a good one. Tearing apart the country with a rampaging revolution will not guarantee the honoring of the Constitution once it is all said and done.
The Constitution was one of many governmental documents adopted around the world in an attempt to take us away from “might makes right” and instill a certain degree of respect for the person, the citizen, and his or her rights. The insurrectionists would have us go back to the stone age, where their way is the right way because they are the ones with guns. That does not work with me.
The other problem, Martyn, is one of targeting.
Sure, the insurrectionists are angry at the government, and are intent on overthrowing it should they feel the urge. Well, the issue is that our government is the one we, as a whole, have chosen. We get the government we want – such is the joy of a representative system. As such, if the government is misbehaving, obviously that is what the people who voted it into office wanted.
So what are the insurrectionists going to do once they are done murdering government officials? Start murdering those who put those government officials into office?
Can we say “purge”?
So, then, you would characterize those German citizens who plotted to assassinate Adolf Hitler to prevent more destruction of human rights and more murder of innocent citizens to be murderers or ‘insurrectonists’?
Read the Constitution within context, for heaven’t sake. When government behaves in a manner that is outside the bounds of the Constitution, then it ceases to have any moral authority to judge those who would oppose it as ‘insurrectionists’ or ‘traitors.’
You can’t claim that those who defend the Constitution against those who operate OUTSIDE of its bounds are being unconstitutional. The thing that they are fighting is behavior that is so blatantly unconstitutional that it threatens every known right we cherish as Americans.
So, what would you have done in Germany? Hand over your guns to Hitler? Done nothing to oppose the systematic slaughter of Jews and political dissidents?
The argument you are making here is the same as that of those who believed cooperating with the Nazi government was the right thing to do.
But, you said this was your last word on the subject, and this will be mine. I don’t understand this manner of thinking. And I am one who has NEVER been a part of ANY movement to overthrow the U.S. government.
But I leave you with that. We can agree to disagree, but I leave the subject totally baffled.
Martyn,
You don’t seem to have a good grasp on history, the Germans never did have a decent representative govenment and they went from a monarchy into the chaos and depression of the 1920′s. Hitler came into power and basicly dismissedd what government the German’s had and he was praised world wide for taking over and correcting an ineffective system. He was Time magazines man of the year in the 1930′s. After he acheived power there was no more govenment of the people. Hitler’s Germany, run by a dictator, is a bad comparison to the US.
First, any analogies between pre-World-War-II Germany and America in her current incarnation is inherently flawed. Different government, different people, different society, different situation. And then there is that whole Godwin problem.
Second, if you listen to some/most/all of the insurrectionists, then government has already been operating outside of the Constitution. Where were they?
That very inaction proves the emptiness of their words, and the fact that this fight they are so itching for has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution. Instead, it positively indicates that this little froofera is all about their egos, their control (or lack thereof), and their quest for power. Furthermore, it proves that they have no more regard for the Constitution than the people doing the abridging.
Further breaking with the Constitution to try and stop other people from breaking with the Constitution their own way is not right, no matter how you cut it.
insect ruins riot
(I was initially going to leave this post as a comment over at the instigating post, but the more I thought about it, the larger it got, to the point where I thought it merited a full-blown response.) A while…