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	<title>Comments on: Losing the 4th</title>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even moreso now that some group of criminals has been knocking on and knocking down doors in NYC dressed up as - oddly enough - NYPD.&quot;
This is why no-knock as a policy is such an affront to liberty.  As an example, in a case where law enforcement has raided the wrong address (which happens all too often), they are not only putting the innocent homeowner at risk of death, but also open to potential prosecution for defending him/herself.  All this with seemingly no accountability for the mistake, and no recourse for the victim.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even moreso now that some group of criminals has been knocking on and knocking down doors in NYC dressed up as &#8211; oddly enough &#8211; NYPD.&#8221;<br />
This is why no-knock as a policy is such an affront to liberty.  As an example, in a case where law enforcement has raided the wrong address (which happens all too often), they are not only putting the innocent homeowner at risk of death, but also open to potential prosecution for defending him/herself.  All this with seemingly no accountability for the mistake, and no recourse for the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very valid observation, Rosemary, but...  that is also a very touchy subject, and a very fine line.  The Second Amendment was, indeed, put in place to keep the government in check, but once pro-rights individuals start going down that line...  well, there is no turning back.  And doing it by yourself, well, that is just a sure-fire way to turn into a martyr.  Granted, sometimes, rights are more important than life, but... well, people just have to choose their fights.
I cannot say as though I am sure what I would do, but if someone comes bursting through my door with hadware that third-world armies would envy...  I dunno.  Even moreso now that some group of criminals has been knocking on and knocking down doors in NYC dressed up as - oddly enough - NYPD.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very valid observation, Rosemary, but&#8230;  that is also a very touchy subject, and a very fine line.  The Second Amendment was, indeed, put in place to keep the government in check, but once pro-rights individuals start going down that line&#8230;  well, there is no turning back.  And doing it by yourself, well, that is just a sure-fire way to turn into a martyr.  Granted, sometimes, rights are more important than life, but&#8230; well, people just have to choose their fights.<br />
I cannot say as though I am sure what I would do, but if someone comes bursting through my door with hadware that third-world armies would envy&#8230;  I dunno.  Even moreso now that some group of criminals has been knocking on and knocking down doors in NYC dressed up as &#8211; oddly enough &#8211; NYPD.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, but may I just introduce the Second Amendment? This is, in reality, for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. It was AGAINST the government, not to give the government the right to build an Army. ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, but may I just introduce the Second Amendment? This is, in reality, for which the 2nd Amendment was intended. It was AGAINST the government, not to give the government the right to build an Army. <img src='http://www.wallsofthecity.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason the military should never be used for police action, and for the same reason, the police should never have started training themselve using military methods.
They are there to keep the peace, protect the populace, and enforce the laws.  They are not there to exercise &quot;supressive fire&quot;, blast down doors on a suspicion, and generally perform actions that start to convince the populace they are supposed to be protecting that &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; are the enemy.
Do not even get me started on the &quot;War on Drugs&quot;, though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason the military should never be used for police action, and for the same reason, the police should never have started training themselve using military methods.<br />
They are there to keep the peace, protect the populace, and enforce the laws.  They are not there to exercise &#8220;supressive fire&#8221;, blast down doors on a suspicion, and generally perform actions that start to convince the populace they are supposed to be protecting that <em>they</em> are the enemy.<br />
Do not even get me started on the &#8220;War on Drugs&#8221;, though&#8230;</p>
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