what is in a name?

Years ago, I was born and baptized an Episcopalian. I attended a Lutheran middle school, and then a Roman Catholic high school. I took my confirmation vows as an Anglican Catholic. Throughout college, I attended a Presbyterian church, and was a member of their youth group. And almost two years ago, I was married by a Methodist minister. I have attended church in all of those various sects, studied them in varying degrees of depth, and am relatively conversant in all of them. To put it simply, I am one hell of a mutt of a Christian, and I prefer it that way - there are aspects of each of those sects I do not think I could live with for extended periods, and learning about all of them has given me a few interesting and possibly unique perspectives into the Christian faith as a whole, and those sects in specific. So, when you read this, understand you re reading the words of someone who has at least a very faint clue of that of which he speaks.

This Roman Catholic bishop is completely off his nut.

Catholic churches in the Netherlands should use the name Allah for God to ease tensions between Muslims and Christians, says a Dutch bishop.

Tiny Muskens, the bishop of Breda, told the Dutch TV program "Network" Monday night he believes God doesn't mind what he is called, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported.

The Almighty is above such "discussion and bickering," he insisted.

Muskens points to Indonesia, where he served 30 years ago, as an example for Dutch churches. Christians in the Middle East also use the term Allah for God.

"Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years," Muskens said. "In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can't we start doing that together?"

I have always been quietly of the opinion that all of the various gods and godesses around the world have simply been different aspects of basically the same, essential entity. However, the more I learn about the joys of Islam, the less I am convinced this is the case when it comes to Allah. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that Islam is almost a complete and utter abasement of what a religion should be - it rules by force, and only seeks to subjugate other religions and nations under its control, again, by force. A religion imposed upon its followers by force, and with the always-present threat of death for the tiniest of missteps, is not a religion - that is oppression, subjugation, and tyranny. It is disgusting. A perversion. And something not to be kowtowed to, no matter the cause, no matter the reason. According to its very own doctrine, any agreement or "rapprochement" between any other non-believers and Islam will only serve to expand Islam's empire, control, and power-base. It is simply incapable of the concept of surrender, or even amicable co-existance - according to the very law set down by the Quran, either someone accepts Islam, or they beocme a subjugated people... or they are killed.

I suppose we now know what choice Bishop Muskens made, and I suppose he can comfort himself with the knowledge that his will be one of the last heads removed.

Here in western civilization, names do not really account for much. However, as with many other older religions that died out over time (I can only wish that was the case with Islam, but in its case, it simply did not change over time), names have power within the realm of Islam, and calling God by the name of "Allah" is nothing more than admitting defeat. Surrendering. Becoming a dhimmi. Hell, why do we not start calling "churches" "mosques"? Why do we not change the Ten Commandments to the Five Pillars? Why stop at just one name?

Only a spineless coward would surrender that readily, all in the name of "appeasement". Appeasement is nothing more than feeding the alligator so he eats you last, and while I may not be the most active of Christians, and I may be a little on the passive side, even I am not that yellow.

Bishop Muskens, you should be ashamed of yourself, and your inability to adequately defend or stand up for your own religion. The Roman Catholic church, misguided though it often is, should dig into the annals of its history, and simply excommunicate you for despicable heresy, and supporting a violent, destructive, and oppressive religion. You are a disgrace, and I am appalled that you claim to be a Christian.

Wizbang and Cao have their takes on this as well.

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Jamal said:

I am pleased Bishop, Martinus “Tiny” Muskens, has rightfully called on all faithful people of all religions to call God by the name Allah. This can be seen as a positive shift.

For those that want to disagree, be aware that Allah is an Arabic word that doesn’t simply mean “God”, but “The God”.

Al=The ilah=God

Therefore Bishop Muskens is quite correct to call on all faithful people of all religions to call God by the name Allah as more accurate translation of the word “Allah” into English might be “The One-and-Only God” or “The One True God”. The Arabic word “Allah” stems from the Arabic verb ta’Allaha (or alaha), which means “to be worshiped”. The Aramaic word for God is “ALAHA” ….and we all know who spoke Aramaic.

Regarding use of the word Jehovah, early bible manuscripts do not spell out the word J-e-h-o-v-a-h but instead use a ‘tetragrammaton’ from which the word Jehovah is derived. The tetragrammaton simply means a four letter word (YHWH, JHWH, YHVH or JHVH) from which you cannot read the word Jehovah, no matter how the vowels are added. Since the Jews did not articulate the word YHWH for centuries, and since even the Chief Rabbis would not allow the ineffable to be heard, they have forfeited the right to claim dogmatically how the word is to be sounded, thus making the popular use of the word Yahweh null and void. Nevertheless, YHWH occurs in the Hebrew (Jewish) Scriptures many times, in combination with the word “Elohim”, and we all know that the commonality between “Allah” and “Elohim” is “eloah” and “ilah”.

The combination YHWH/ELOHIM has been consistently translated in the English Bible as “Lord God,”. Therefore, YHWH, Yehova, Yahweh and Yahuwa all mean the very same thing. “Ya” is a vocative and an exclamatory particle in both Hebrew and Arabic, meaning Oh! and “Huwa” or “Hu” means He. Together they mean Oh He! and so instead of ‘YHWH ELOHIM’ we now have ‘Oh He! ELOHIM’;

YaHuWaH Eloh(im) = HuwaAllah = He is Allah (He is The God).

Linoge said:

You know, I should have seen this coming. For those unaware, "Jamal" has been trolling through any weblog which has posted on this topic. I think I will actually leave this post here, as it demonstrates the single-minded pursuit of domination Islam supports, if not outright requires. However, I will ask him the same question I asked over at Wizbang:

If what you say is true, and "Allah" means "The God" (which I certainly will not dispute), then why do we not try the shoe on the other foot: Why do you not start calling "Allah" "God" (or "The God", if that would suit you better), as opposed to us non-Islamic types having to do the appeasement? I mean, after all, considering that English has pretty much become the international language these days, and since "God" is conveniently shorter than "Allah", and since you obviously do not place that much importance on names (otherwise you would not be suggesting us Christian-types call our god by something other than what we have been calling Him for millenia), then why not use the more common, more convenient, and less-historically-laden name?

Would that not be just as positive?

I confess, I do not honestly expect a response from him on this question, either over at Wizbang, or here. However, "Jamal" adequately demonstrates the Islamic mindset - their way is the only "rightful", "positive" way. No, perhaps is is not as slathering-at-the-mouth as some of his bretheren, but he is directly and actively supporting those bretheren, and that kind of association is something I simply will not stand.

I would also address the apparent intelligence behind the post, but considering that it is simply being copy-pasted to all of the various weblogs I have seen it on, in the exact same format, I find it highly suspect that "Jamal" actually wrote it. I would, instead, wager that he is instead simply dropping off something he found, or constructed from other sources. Either way, the game of semantics, numerology, or the like is not something worthy of attention, especially when the motivations of the author, whoever he is, are so patently clear.

Jamal said:

Using the Arabic language the name is more specific and is only used in relation to Allah (The God). We cannot use god, God, The God, Jehovah, etc in the same way due to the existence of trinities, etc existing as a result of modern Christianity. Therefore, to use the term Allah is more specific.

I have studied his issues and am leaned in religious studies.

Jamal said:

"learned"

Linoge said:

To say there are a few flaws with your logic would be putting it mildly.

First, you admit, by your own words, that the word "Allah" means nothing more than "The God", or the longer variant, "The One True God". So, assuming you did not lie to me, and assuming you are correct, you would be just as accurate calling something "Allah" as you would be calling it "The God", or "The One True God".

Strike one.

Second, there is the Trinity. There are no "trinities" in Christianity. Furthermore, the existance of the Trinity does not indicate the existance of three separate gods - rather, Christianity is an exclusively monotheistic religion. The Trinity merely refers to the triune nature of God (singular), not separate gods themselves. As such, there is no reason you could not refer to Allah as "The God", since Islam is monotheistic - like Christianity, and especially considering that is what you told me "Allah" means. Your ignorance is showing, and you are not nearly as "learned" as you believe.

Strike two.

I do not use the Arabic language. I have no desire to. In fact, I have no desire to learn it, period. As such, why is it "more accurate" for me, a non-Islamic, non-Arabic-speaking, non-dhimmi, Christian American to refer to "God" as "Allah"?

It is not.

Such a thing would only be proposed and supported to subjugate Christians, or to plant the seeds of conversion, and I am interested in neither. Bishop Muskens can call God whatever he so desires - he will eventually have to answer for it. But to propose that other Christians follow in his apostasy, and effectively denounce their religion, or subjugate themselves, and it, by extension, to another religion? That is wrong, no matter how you look at it... Unless, of course, you look at it from the perspective of a radical Islamic interested in nothing more than the eventual subjugation of the entire world, by force, if necessary, under the rule of Islam.

Strike three, and you are out of here.

GOMEZ said:

Whats is in a name?

YOU SAID: “Islam is almost a complete and utter abasement of what a religion should be - it rules by force, and only seeks to subjugate other religions and nations under its control, again, by force”

Christianity DIED hundreds of Years ago and tried to be born again under Protestantism, a Protests against the Roman Catholic Church’s brutalities and so-called unchristian rituals but they themselves became the zealot’s bigots, especially amongst the Europeans.

Now, what bugs me is how do Christians dare to call Islam a religion that controls by force its adherents when Christianity is known for that in the past? Who do you think will swallow that load of shit-lies? Christianity and Islam have in the past have controlled by force its adherents (lets get real).

In modern times, neither of the religion actually controls its adherent by force. Christianity has been tamed down in the recent years by seculars Christians who enjoy the Joy of Freedoms (Sinning) without having to feel guilty, so they have made Christianity into a total joke---Only love and no reproach.

What is a religion supposed to be? Does religion have to be confined by your standards? Like I said Christianity, unfortunately was sissified (in modern-times) and it has become a religion of spineless fools that try to confined Christianity or recreate under secular dogmas, creating a religion that Jesus himself would vomit.

Islam, whether you like it or not, whether you believe it or not, and even, I am sure- you puke by just hearing the words Islam, Allah and Muhammad, we as Muslims can proudly says we at least have a tradition and in that tradition we have preserve the word Allah, a Semitic word that Jesus himself used.

Linoge said:

Tradition? You want to talk about traditions?

What about the "tradition" of debasing and subjugating your women to the point where they are not even second-class citizens - they are little more than property to be bartered between the men?

What about the "tradition" of supporting suicide bombers and those organizations who employ suicide bombers?

What about the "tradition" of oppressing or killing those who follow a religion other than Islam, even to this day?

What about the "tradition" of "honor killings"?

What about the "tradition" of "if you die killing non-believers, you instantly get a free pass to heaven"?

What about the "tradition" of "dhimmitude"?

What about the "tradition" of issuing "fatawahs" against anyone who even so much as speaks out against Islam or its teachings? (Should I be expecting one shortly?)

What about the "tradition" of "jihad"?

What about the "tradition" of hard-line xenophobia?

What about all the hundreds upon hundreds of other "traditions" that so beautifully expose the inhuman, cabalistic, oppressive, hateful, racist, sexist, violent, backwards, barbaric nature of Islam?

Give me a break. You want to know what is wrong with Islam? It is your bloody "traditions"!

You want to "get real"? Christianity gave up its attempts to subjugate and control people by force centuries ago, and has never gone back there since. Sure, bring up ancient history to "support" your cause. The problem is, that ancient history is present-day reality for Islam - it has has never left that period, still stoning people, still cutting off their hands, still employing "honor killings" (as if there were a more oxymoronic phrase than that), still using suicide bombers against innocent women and children, still being a despicable, base, ugly, hateful "religion".

Of course, what is worse than your poor temporal mechanics is your remarkably sad understanding of Christianity - not surprising, considering how radical Islamics view other religions. You speak of "Only love and no reproach," in one paragraph, and then in the next paragraph say, "...creating a religion that Jesus himself would vomit." Do you even have the faintest, tiniest, slimmest inkling of what Jesus actually tought? I ask the question only out of courtesy - I know you do not. I know you will not follow this suggestion, but I would strongly advise looking up the "Sermon on the Mount". Or, barring that, read these words: "And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."" Or maybe "For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions." Or how about, "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist him who is evil; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also." Or last (at least for this comment), but far from least, ""Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." If these quotes do not show you just how warped your perception of Christianity, and religion as a whole, has become due to your Islamic teachings... you are, indeed, lost.

Much though you and many other Islamics would like the world to believe otherwise, Christianity is far from dead, and is not going to die any time soon. And much though you gnash your teeth, rend your clothes, and send suicide bombers against us when we say this, there are those of us who will never bow down to Islam, never subjugate ourselves to it, and never stop speaking out against it.

Now go be a good little hypopcritical troll on someone else's weblog... these radical Islamics are wearing old.

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