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		<title>By: walls of the city</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>walls of the city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;second-suckiest&lt;/strong&gt;

I can live with second place. Oh, and by the way, they still suck....
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<p>I can live with second place. Oh, and by the way, they still suck&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In full agreement, Pam, no worries.  There are so many better options out there for MP3 players - people would really do well to do their research.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In full agreement, Pam, no worries.  There are so many better options out there for MP3 players &#8211; people would really do well to do their research.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I want to say is that IPOD SUCKS! I will never buy another IPOD as long as I live. I wouldn&#039;t even accept one for FREE. IPOD: an over priced piece of junk! I&#039;m so sick of ipods I could spit!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I want to say is that IPOD SUCKS! I will never buy another IPOD as long as I live. I wouldn&#8217;t even accept one for FREE. IPOD: an over priced piece of junk! I&#8217;m so sick of ipods I could spit!</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I never took the time to answer Ignis&#039; comment, and I suppose I should.
Ok, thousands of people are buying iPods.  And?  Are you a lemming who just goes along with whatever the majority does?  Are you the victim of a remarkably powerful, skillful, and widespread advertisement machine?  When you get right down to it, Apple does not offer anything that any other company has not offered before them, generally at a cheaper price.  Sure, they came up with the &quot;click wheel&quot; - never really saw the fascination, myself, and that is hardly something to hang an entire empire on.
Yeah, there was an Apple store I could go to - where the technicians were useless, and basically told me that I should buy a Macintosh computer to go with my iPod, since that was the only way I could guarantee the latter would work.  If that is Apple&#039;s idea of &quot;tech support&quot;, I think I will do without, thanks.
Apologies for the confusion concerning which model of iPod I was using - the Apple webpage was, surprisingly enough, unclear.  That said, I will repeat my primary complaint with this entire debacle:  &lt;strong&gt;The iPod WOULD NOT WORK with the software it came bundled with, out of the box&lt;/strong&gt;.  Period.  Full stop.  End of story.  Why on God&#039;s Green Earth (TM) would you ever ship a piece of hardware with bundled software when the two are not designed to talk to each other straight out of the box?  Of course, if you had bothered to actually read my post, you would understand that we &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; try to update iTunes, and, oddly enough, the software automatically downloaded an &lt;em&gt;out-of-date&lt;/em&gt; update to itself.  Yeah, that makes sense.
As for ID3 tags, again, if you had bothered to actually read my post instead of skim over the parts that did not meet your viewpoint, you would understand that I am not blaming Apple for my faulty ID3 tags - but thanks for the strawman.  Instead, I am complaining that iTunes and the iPod completely and utterly ignore the file structure I had crafted for my MP3s over the past years.  Sure, the Zen still only uses ID3 tags when viewing MP3s, but at least it maintains the directory and file structure on the player.  iTunes does not even bother - &lt;em&gt;obviously&lt;/em&gt; its method is better than mine.
Oh, and what about &quot;Better Half happened to &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;win&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; one of the shiny new iPod Nano&quot; is so hard to comprehend?  My wife was actually indifferent about winning the iPod - sure she liked getting an expensive toy for free, but that was about the extent of it.  She has since won a Zune (I swear she lives a charmed life), and the difference in experiences has been about the same as the difference between Hell and Heaven.  The Zune actually &lt;em&gt;worked&lt;/em&gt; straight out of the box, talked with the computer right off the bat, and everything was happy and shiny and &lt;em&gt;functional&lt;/em&gt;.
Honestly, I do not need to talk to a &quot;Genius Bar&quot; technician to get the overbearing, holier-than-thou, we&#039;re-better-than-everyone-else attitude that Mac fanboys are so fond of - I get that simply by walking in the store and standing for about 10 seconds... or by having visits from self-righteous, literacy-challenged individuals such as yourself.
Thanks, but I think I will stick to using hardware that actually... you know... &lt;em&gt;works&lt;/em&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I never took the time to answer Ignis&#8217; comment, and I suppose I should.<br />
Ok, thousands of people are buying iPods.  And?  Are you a lemming who just goes along with whatever the majority does?  Are you the victim of a remarkably powerful, skillful, and widespread advertisement machine?  When you get right down to it, Apple does not offer anything that any other company has not offered before them, generally at a cheaper price.  Sure, they came up with the &#8220;click wheel&#8221; &#8211; never really saw the fascination, myself, and that is hardly something to hang an entire empire on.<br />
Yeah, there was an Apple store I could go to &#8211; where the technicians were useless, and basically told me that I should buy a Macintosh computer to go with my iPod, since that was the only way I could guarantee the latter would work.  If that is Apple&#8217;s idea of &#8220;tech support&#8221;, I think I will do without, thanks.<br />
Apologies for the confusion concerning which model of iPod I was using &#8211; the Apple webpage was, surprisingly enough, unclear.  That said, I will repeat my primary complaint with this entire debacle:  <strong>The iPod WOULD NOT WORK with the software it came bundled with, out of the box</strong>.  Period.  Full stop.  End of story.  Why on God&#8217;s Green Earth (TM) would you ever ship a piece of hardware with bundled software when the two are not designed to talk to each other straight out of the box?  Of course, if you had bothered to actually read my post, you would understand that we <em>did</em> try to update iTunes, and, oddly enough, the software automatically downloaded an <em>out-of-date</em> update to itself.  Yeah, that makes sense.<br />
As for ID3 tags, again, if you had bothered to actually read my post instead of skim over the parts that did not meet your viewpoint, you would understand that I am not blaming Apple for my faulty ID3 tags &#8211; but thanks for the strawman.  Instead, I am complaining that iTunes and the iPod completely and utterly ignore the file structure I had crafted for my MP3s over the past years.  Sure, the Zen still only uses ID3 tags when viewing MP3s, but at least it maintains the directory and file structure on the player.  iTunes does not even bother &#8211; <em>obviously</em> its method is better than mine.<br />
Oh, and what about &#8220;Better Half happened to <strong><em>win</em></strong> one of the shiny new iPod Nano&#8221; is so hard to comprehend?  My wife was actually indifferent about winning the iPod &#8211; sure she liked getting an expensive toy for free, but that was about the extent of it.  She has since won a Zune (I swear she lives a charmed life), and the difference in experiences has been about the same as the difference between Hell and Heaven.  The Zune actually <em>worked</em> straight out of the box, talked with the computer right off the bat, and everything was happy and shiny and <em>functional</em>.<br />
Honestly, I do not need to talk to a &#8220;Genius Bar&#8221; technician to get the overbearing, holier-than-thou, we&#8217;re-better-than-everyone-else attitude that Mac fanboys are so fond of &#8211; I get that simply by walking in the store and standing for about 10 seconds&#8230; or by having visits from self-righteous, literacy-challenged individuals such as yourself.<br />
Thanks, but I think I will stick to using hardware that actually&#8230; you know&#8230; <em>works</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fix a nano with do not disconnect frozen on the screen
&lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705&lt;/a&gt;
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		<title>By: (Worst)Writer</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>(Worst)Writer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bad Weather, iPod Sucks,&#160;DRM&lt;/strong&gt;

Note: Dear fellow (worst)writer(s), I&#8217;ll be posting a bit less in the month of April because I&#8217;m trying to focus on a really bad story I&#8217;ve been working on recently. As usual it&#8217;s going badly and most likely nothing will come of...
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<p>Note: Dear fellow (worst)writer(s), I&#8217;ll be posting a bit less in the month of April because I&#8217;m trying to focus on a really bad story I&#8217;ve been working on recently. As usual it&#8217;s going badly and most likely nothing will come of&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ignis fatuusz</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>ignis fatuusz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all: If you&#039;re looking for problems, that&#039;s all you&#039;re going to find.
The fact that millions (MILLIONS) of people are *choosing* iPods (as opposed to being forced to buy them) and iTunes as their digital music devices doesn&#039;t signify anything to you? If they suck so bad, why are they selling so well? Apple is not just about style, they&#039;re about simplicity and elegance. A lot of people (because of the iPod) are realizing this and are buying Macs in more numbers than ever.
You were able to go to an Apple store to have someone look at it for you. Do you have a Creative store or any other manufacturer&#039;s store with trained technicians on staff that can help you if there&#039;s a problem with one of their players? How you manage to spin this negatively amazes me.
Yes, there&#039;s an appointment system in place to see a technician (Apple calls them &quot;Mac Geniuses&quot;). Not all red-shirt (or black-shirt, whatever they&#039;re wearing at the time) employees hold the same position. The ones on the floor are basically salespeople. The technicians work behind the bar, and they&#039;re a busy lot (hence the appointment system). Some salespeople can help out with simpler problems (like iPod resets and whatnot); anything deeper needs to be seen by a technician. If you don&#039;t have an appointment beforehand, you often have to wait. Name any another electronics manufacturer/retailer that offers that service.
Another clarification: the 4GB black nano is *NOT* a second-generation nano. The second-generation nanos are all anondized aluminum (and only the 8GB version is available in black). The iPod you&#039;re describing (with the shiny metal back) is a first-generation nano; since the Apple store installed the latest firmware when they restored it, I&#039;d bet that if you install the latest version of iTunes (7.0.2), you&#039;ll have a lot fewer problems than you&#039;re describing.
As far as your ID3 tags are concerned, iTunes uses a pretty standard online tagging database (CDDB, I think) to populate items ripped into it. If you have items with bunk ID3 info prior to installing iTunes, I can&#039;t hardly see how that&#039;s Apple&#039;s fault.
It sounds like you are anti-Apple from the get-go. That sort of attitude is unfortunate for your wife (who apparently wants an iPod), in that your constant grousing will make her experience a lot less enjoyable. I&#039;d recommend making an appointment at that Genius Bar to sit down and discuss your frustrations with a technician; you&#039;ll be surprised at how much you might learn, and how much there is to enjoy with an iPod (even a lowly 1st generation nano).
Good luck to you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all: If you&#8217;re looking for problems, that&#8217;s all you&#8217;re going to find.<br />
The fact that millions (MILLIONS) of people are *choosing* iPods (as opposed to being forced to buy them) and iTunes as their digital music devices doesn&#8217;t signify anything to you? If they suck so bad, why are they selling so well? Apple is not just about style, they&#8217;re about simplicity and elegance. A lot of people (because of the iPod) are realizing this and are buying Macs in more numbers than ever.<br />
You were able to go to an Apple store to have someone look at it for you. Do you have a Creative store or any other manufacturer&#8217;s store with trained technicians on staff that can help you if there&#8217;s a problem with one of their players? How you manage to spin this negatively amazes me.<br />
Yes, there&#8217;s an appointment system in place to see a technician (Apple calls them &#8220;Mac Geniuses&#8221;). Not all red-shirt (or black-shirt, whatever they&#8217;re wearing at the time) employees hold the same position. The ones on the floor are basically salespeople. The technicians work behind the bar, and they&#8217;re a busy lot (hence the appointment system). Some salespeople can help out with simpler problems (like iPod resets and whatnot); anything deeper needs to be seen by a technician. If you don&#8217;t have an appointment beforehand, you often have to wait. Name any another electronics manufacturer/retailer that offers that service.<br />
Another clarification: the 4GB black nano is *NOT* a second-generation nano. The second-generation nanos are all anondized aluminum (and only the 8GB version is available in black). The iPod you&#8217;re describing (with the shiny metal back) is a first-generation nano; since the Apple store installed the latest firmware when they restored it, I&#8217;d bet that if you install the latest version of iTunes (7.0.2), you&#8217;ll have a lot fewer problems than you&#8217;re describing.<br />
As far as your ID3 tags are concerned, iTunes uses a pretty standard online tagging database (CDDB, I think) to populate items ripped into it. If you have items with bunk ID3 info prior to installing iTunes, I can&#8217;t hardly see how that&#8217;s Apple&#8217;s fault.<br />
It sounds like you are anti-Apple from the get-go. That sort of attitude is unfortunate for your wife (who apparently wants an iPod), in that your constant grousing will make her experience a lot less enjoyable. I&#8217;d recommend making an appointment at that Genius Bar to sit down and discuss your frustrations with a technician; you&#8217;ll be surprised at how much you might learn, and how much there is to enjoy with an iPod (even a lowly 1st generation nano).<br />
Good luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Linoge</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Linoge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put it simply, wing it, I definitely, *definitely* feel your pain.  Sorry to hear that you had such an unpleasant experience, but know you are not alone in the world.  iPods definitely do suck.
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		<title>By: wing it</title>
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		<dc:creator>wing it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am have nothing but problems with my girls i pod.
I feel your pain , i think i could write a book on how many hours i have spent on her 40g icrap. I have 2 rios they both still work i have had them for 2 years or so an never had any problems with them. The software is easy to use just drag and drop and done. Ipod you have to use that hair pulling software, itunes .
ok she got the ipod as a gift for her birthday , everything worked fine She downloaded 1000&#039;s of songs ripped all her cds , just hours of time filling it. She went to show it off to a friend and the scroller stopped working. Called apple support  and they told her to send it back. apple sent her a box she rapped it up and week or so later it was back, reformatted. It was ok because all the music was saved on itunes. we plugged it in reloaded all the music an it was fine. A weak later she told me it would not turn on . So i flipped it over to see what kind of battery was in it . there was no battery cover on it. . So i went to apple site they said you need to sent it back to have the battery changed . ??????????
(are you kidding my!) does apple feel that people are incapable of changing a battery ? 2 days later a box came and we sent it back again. It came back a week or so later again and the music was gone, Formatted again . I reloaded the music and everything was fine. Well her laptop crashed (where all the music was stored) and she asked me to save all the music  on my pc i said sure.I downloaded Itunes and did the hole install . I plugged the ipod in and began to browse to the ipod .It was empty! My jaw hit the floor!!!!!!
all that music was gone !Hours and hours of ripping and downloading just gone. Well i had to fix this she was going to kill me . I tried ipod recovery software like 5 of them all them wanted me to buy ,so i broke down and bought 1.
I recovered what so called music that was on it but when I played all the songs were trashed with screeching noises .
I gave up and just told her and you know how that went.
Well i downloaded tons of music and gave her some of mine
she got over it . About 2 weeks later the battery dies so i send it back .I get It again like a week later nothing on it again. Great , I get all the music back on and next day my computer crashes. So all the music i own is on this ipod. I fix my computer and download itunes .It tells me that there are up dates so i start to download them .I guess i missed a check box somewhere and it reformats the ipod.There&#039;s more to the story but how i came to find your site is i typed in ipod sucks and there behold other people that feel my pain ....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am have nothing but problems with my girls i pod.<br />
I feel your pain , i think i could write a book on how many hours i have spent on her 40g icrap. I have 2 rios they both still work i have had them for 2 years or so an never had any problems with them. The software is easy to use just drag and drop and done. Ipod you have to use that hair pulling software, itunes .<br />
ok she got the ipod as a gift for her birthday , everything worked fine She downloaded 1000&#8217;s of songs ripped all her cds , just hours of time filling it. She went to show it off to a friend and the scroller stopped working. Called apple support  and they told her to send it back. apple sent her a box she rapped it up and week or so later it was back, reformatted. It was ok because all the music was saved on itunes. we plugged it in reloaded all the music an it was fine. A weak later she told me it would not turn on . So i flipped it over to see what kind of battery was in it . there was no battery cover on it. . So i went to apple site they said you need to sent it back to have the battery changed . ??????????<br />
(are you kidding my!) does apple feel that people are incapable of changing a battery ? 2 days later a box came and we sent it back again. It came back a week or so later again and the music was gone, Formatted again . I reloaded the music and everything was fine. Well her laptop crashed (where all the music was stored) and she asked me to save all the music  on my pc i said sure.I downloaded Itunes and did the hole install . I plugged the ipod in and began to browse to the ipod .It was empty! My jaw hit the floor!!!!!!<br />
all that music was gone !Hours and hours of ripping and downloading just gone. Well i had to fix this she was going to kill me . I tried ipod recovery software like 5 of them all them wanted me to buy ,so i broke down and bought 1.<br />
I recovered what so called music that was on it but when I played all the songs were trashed with screeching noises .<br />
I gave up and just told her and you know how that went.<br />
Well i downloaded tons of music and gave her some of mine<br />
she got over it . About 2 weeks later the battery dies so i send it back .I get It again like a week later nothing on it again. Great , I get all the music back on and next day my computer crashes. So all the music i own is on this ipod. I fix my computer and download itunes .It tells me that there are up dates so i start to download them .I guess i missed a check box somewhere and it reformats the ipod.There&#8217;s more to the story but how i came to find your site is i typed in ipod sucks and there behold other people that feel my pain &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: walls of the city</title>
		<link>http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2006/11/ipods_suck.html/comment-page-1#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>walls of the city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ipods suck (simplified version)&lt;/strong&gt;

In light of the fact that my &quot;ipods suck&quot; post has been receiving a positively amazing amount of traffic, I realized that the core message of it might have been lost under my frustration, anger, and general purpose irritation at...
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<p>In light of the fact that my &quot;ipods suck&quot; post has been receiving a positively amazing amount of traffic, I realized that the core message of it might have been lost under my frustration, anger, and general purpose irritation at&#8230;</p>
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